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		<title>Comment on The Tension in the Battle of Gay Marriage (As I see it) by Doug Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug Murphy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 19:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can I name a problem the government has solved, that is funny, No but I can think of some they have created. Thanks again for your thoughts. Well done]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I name a problem the government has solved, that is funny, No but I can think of some they have created. Thanks again for your thoughts. Well done</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Tension in the Battle of Gay Marriage (As I see it) by Doug Murphy</title>
		<link>http://dougmurphy.org/2011/07/26/the-tension-in-the-battle-of-gay-marriage-as-i-see-it/#comment-1110</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug Murphy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 19:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, love your thought. Thanks for being so concise... The only thing I would say is that different faiths should be able to own certain practices, maybe not by the actual practice but by name. Marriage vs  Civil union but all the civil privileges should be the same..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, love your thought. Thanks for being so concise&#8230; The only thing I would say is that different faiths should be able to own certain practices, maybe not by the actual practice but by name. Marriage vs  Civil union but all the civil privileges should be the same..</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Tension in the Battle of Gay Marriage (As I see it) by Doug Murphy</title>
		<link>http://dougmurphy.org/2011/07/26/the-tension-in-the-battle-of-gay-marriage-as-i-see-it/#comment-1109</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug Murphy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 19:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great points. I appreciate your feedback, I think when people say prayer has been taken out of school, they are referring to school supported prayer. Also what does a disturbance mean. That is super subjective which makes for a potentially messy situation. The only way to deal with this is to have some sort of objective measure which gets even more tricky, since then you have a civil institution regulating faith practices. 
Have a great day]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points. I appreciate your feedback, I think when people say prayer has been taken out of school, they are referring to school supported prayer. Also what does a disturbance mean. That is super subjective which makes for a potentially messy situation. The only way to deal with this is to have some sort of objective measure which gets even more tricky, since then you have a civil institution regulating faith practices.<br />
Have a great day</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Tension in the Battle of Gay Marriage (As I see it) by NotAScientist</title>
		<link>http://dougmurphy.org/2011/07/26/the-tension-in-the-battle-of-gay-marriage-as-i-see-it/#comment-1108</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NotAScientist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 14:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;They have taken church and prayer from our schools and our lives because it obviously isn’t something that the people in government feel is worth upholding yet they deny people civil liberties on a religious basis.&quot;

This is only partially true. And I know it&#039;s not really the subject of the post, but I feel the need to address it.

Prayer was not taken out of public schools. School mandated and supported prayer has been. If a student wants to pray, they can pray, provided they aren&#039;t causing a disturbance in the class. But the public school, which is run from the government, should not be supporting or insisting on prayer.

All that being said, I&#039;m 100% behind gay marriage. As an atheist, I can get married in the US without ever being involved with any religion or religious institution. So there&#039;s no good reason homosexuals can&#039;t share that ability with me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They have taken church and prayer from our schools and our lives because it obviously isn’t something that the people in government feel is worth upholding yet they deny people civil liberties on a religious basis.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is only partially true. And I know it&#8217;s not really the subject of the post, but I feel the need to address it.</p>
<p>Prayer was not taken out of public schools. School mandated and supported prayer has been. If a student wants to pray, they can pray, provided they aren&#8217;t causing a disturbance in the class. But the public school, which is run from the government, should not be supporting or insisting on prayer.</p>
<p>All that being said, I&#8217;m 100% behind gay marriage. As an atheist, I can get married in the US without ever being involved with any religion or religious institution. So there&#8217;s no good reason homosexuals can&#8217;t share that ability with me.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Tension in the Battle of Gay Marriage (As I see it) by Eric</title>
		<link>http://dougmurphy.org/2011/07/26/the-tension-in-the-battle-of-gay-marriage-as-i-see-it/#comment-1107</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 07:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems to me that the Church&#039;s mistake is applying scriptural passages meant for his Chosen Body to our wider culture.  Is there a moral standard laid out in scripture by which his followers are meant to live their lives by?  Absolutely.  

Does Christ ever tell us to make sure unrepentant sinners live by the same code of conduct?   Absolutely not.

The American Church&#039;s mistake is in acting like the good ol&#039; US of A is God&#039;s chosen people, and we rip Old Testament passages out of their historical, cultural, and religious context and apply them to the larger society we find ourselves in today.  This has done a disservice to the cause of Christ, and when our culture (or the current target of our self-righteous ire) responds by lashing out at us, we are bewildered and saddened because they &#039;just don&#039;t know Christ like we do.&#039;

Do I believe the gay lifestyle is sinful? Yes, I do.  Do I believe gay people ought to be allowed to get married to each other?  Yes, I do.  This is not a theocracy, but a democracy.  It is inconsistent to value the freedoms we enjoy of freedom of speech, religious liberty, ownership rights, and the opportunity to enjoy &#039;life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness,&#039; while on the same hand denying the same rights and opportunities to others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that the Church&#8217;s mistake is applying scriptural passages meant for his Chosen Body to our wider culture.  Is there a moral standard laid out in scripture by which his followers are meant to live their lives by?  Absolutely.  </p>
<p>Does Christ ever tell us to make sure unrepentant sinners live by the same code of conduct?   Absolutely not.</p>
<p>The American Church&#8217;s mistake is in acting like the good ol&#8217; US of A is God&#8217;s chosen people, and we rip Old Testament passages out of their historical, cultural, and religious context and apply them to the larger society we find ourselves in today.  This has done a disservice to the cause of Christ, and when our culture (or the current target of our self-righteous ire) responds by lashing out at us, we are bewildered and saddened because they &#8216;just don&#8217;t know Christ like we do.&#8217;</p>
<p>Do I believe the gay lifestyle is sinful? Yes, I do.  Do I believe gay people ought to be allowed to get married to each other?  Yes, I do.  This is not a theocracy, but a democracy.  It is inconsistent to value the freedoms we enjoy of freedom of speech, religious liberty, ownership rights, and the opportunity to enjoy &#8216;life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness,&#8217; while on the same hand denying the same rights and opportunities to others.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Tension in the Battle of Gay Marriage (As I see it) by Tamie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tamie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 03:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doug,
My first sentence was to say that I think Christians need to not worry so much about what the world does with marriage and worry about fulfilling their dedication to do God&#039;s Will and live by his standards...and be Christlike with all people.

I know that marriage was definitely part of God&#039;s design initially for the world to be filled with families that would serve him and enjoy all the wonderful things he created...and still is...But then, Satan raised the issue of God&#039;s right to Sovereignty...the Bible has laid out how God&#039;s Kingdom, not Man&#039;s Governments, will be the solution to all of earth&#039;s woes....including all the controversy that is waging now about this issue.

Marraige has not been successful in teaching people about God...look at the divorce statistics...and that is statistics of so-called Christians.

When we dabble in the politics of men, who for the most part refuse to recognize God&#039;s right to set down the guidelines and principles for us, including what constitutes a marriage....then are we making ourself a friend of the world and constituting ourselves as an enemy of God?  After all, Jesus is our King, so how do we bend our knee or raise our protest signs in support of another. I guess it comes down to whether or not we trust that God&#039;s Kingdom will take care of things and not trust in men to take care of the issues.

Besides, Can you name one issue that the Government has truly conquered and solved?

The Bible says to Wait on God. Make sure of the more important things. I think this whole controversy is a clever tactic of Satan to blurr the real issue of Universal Sovereignty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,<br />
My first sentence was to say that I think Christians need to not worry so much about what the world does with marriage and worry about fulfilling their dedication to do God&#8217;s Will and live by his standards&#8230;and be Christlike with all people.</p>
<p>I know that marriage was definitely part of God&#8217;s design initially for the world to be filled with families that would serve him and enjoy all the wonderful things he created&#8230;and still is&#8230;But then, Satan raised the issue of God&#8217;s right to Sovereignty&#8230;the Bible has laid out how God&#8217;s Kingdom, not Man&#8217;s Governments, will be the solution to all of earth&#8217;s woes&#8230;.including all the controversy that is waging now about this issue.</p>
<p>Marraige has not been successful in teaching people about God&#8230;look at the divorce statistics&#8230;and that is statistics of so-called Christians.</p>
<p>When we dabble in the politics of men, who for the most part refuse to recognize God&#8217;s right to set down the guidelines and principles for us, including what constitutes a marriage&#8230;.then are we making ourself a friend of the world and constituting ourselves as an enemy of God?  After all, Jesus is our King, so how do we bend our knee or raise our protest signs in support of another. I guess it comes down to whether or not we trust that God&#8217;s Kingdom will take care of things and not trust in men to take care of the issues.</p>
<p>Besides, Can you name one issue that the Government has truly conquered and solved?</p>
<p>The Bible says to Wait on God. Make sure of the more important things. I think this whole controversy is a clever tactic of Satan to blurr the real issue of Universal Sovereignty.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Tension in the Battle of Gay Marriage (As I see it) by Doug Murphy</title>
		<link>http://dougmurphy.org/2011/07/26/the-tension-in-the-battle-of-gay-marriage-as-i-see-it/#comment-1105</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug Murphy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Tamie, Great thoughts, I think our first and foremost message should be the Gospel...And your right we need to be an example that people can see. The problem I have is with your first statement. What does the Bible teach? it&#039;s as simple as that. There has been a strong biblical tension for years on what is the Christians responsibility when it comes to politics and social justice.  Isn&#039;t marriage part of God&#039;s design for the world to know him by? Should we guard that? What do we do? There is such battle we have to make a decision of some sort. We can&#039;t ignore the issue]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tamie, Great thoughts, I think our first and foremost message should be the Gospel&#8230;And your right we need to be an example that people can see. The problem I have is with your first statement. What does the Bible teach? it&#8217;s as simple as that. There has been a strong biblical tension for years on what is the Christians responsibility when it comes to politics and social justice.  Isn&#8217;t marriage part of God&#8217;s design for the world to know him by? Should we guard that? What do we do? There is such battle we have to make a decision of some sort. We can&#8217;t ignore the issue</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Tension in the Battle of Gay Marriage (As I see it) by Tamie</title>
		<link>http://dougmurphy.org/2011/07/26/the-tension-in-the-battle-of-gay-marriage-as-i-see-it/#comment-1104</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tamie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What does the Bible teach? It is as simple as that....

It is God&#039;s expressed will as written in his Word that should be paid attention to. He is trying to teach us to benefit ourselves. Oh, if we would only pay attention.

That being said....who gave &quot;Christians&quot; the right to try to prevent Gay marraiges, Abortions, campaign for Politicial movements...or any other effort to set the world straight?  Jesus already said that he had all authority and that we should listen to him....Jesus said to preach the Good News of God&#039;s Kingdom. He said to love our neighbors. He said to be peaceable with all. He said to display the fruits of the spirit.

I believe this to be true....introduce people to a God of love, not one of hellfire, brimstone and condemnation...but the Creator, the God of Mercy and Love, the Father of Jesus, the Christ that willingly gave his soul in everyone&#039;s behalf. Let them build a relationship with the true God.. Let them see and experience how obeying his laws and principles in their lives results in rich blessings. Show them the promises that God&#039;s Kingdom will bring about here on earth....and prove how those promises can be trusted....that is the commision of true Christians...not trying to determine what we should do or not do about Gay marraige.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does the Bible teach? It is as simple as that&#8230;.</p>
<p>It is God&#8217;s expressed will as written in his Word that should be paid attention to. He is trying to teach us to benefit ourselves. Oh, if we would only pay attention.</p>
<p>That being said&#8230;.who gave &#8220;Christians&#8221; the right to try to prevent Gay marraiges, Abortions, campaign for Politicial movements&#8230;or any other effort to set the world straight?  Jesus already said that he had all authority and that we should listen to him&#8230;.Jesus said to preach the Good News of God&#8217;s Kingdom. He said to love our neighbors. He said to be peaceable with all. He said to display the fruits of the spirit.</p>
<p>I believe this to be true&#8230;.introduce people to a God of love, not one of hellfire, brimstone and condemnation&#8230;but the Creator, the God of Mercy and Love, the Father of Jesus, the Christ that willingly gave his soul in everyone&#8217;s behalf. Let them build a relationship with the true God.. Let them see and experience how obeying his laws and principles in their lives results in rich blessings. Show them the promises that God&#8217;s Kingdom will bring about here on earth&#8230;.and prove how those promises can be trusted&#8230;.that is the commision of true Christians&#8230;not trying to determine what we should do or not do about Gay marraige.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Tension in the Battle of Gay Marriage (As I see it) by Doug Murphy</title>
		<link>http://dougmurphy.org/2011/07/26/the-tension-in-the-battle-of-gay-marriage-as-i-see-it/#comment-1103</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug Murphy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Jen, Thank you so much for your thoughts]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jen, Thank you so much for your thoughts</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Tension in the Battle of Gay Marriage (As I see it) by Jen</title>
		<link>http://dougmurphy.org/2011/07/26/the-tension-in-the-battle-of-gay-marriage-as-i-see-it/#comment-1102</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 19:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am personally in favor of gay marriage, not because I disagree that marriage is a religious institution but because our government should not have the authority to make that decision for us.  

They have taken church and prayer from our schools and our lives because it obviously isn&#039;t something that the people in government feel is worth upholding yet they deny people civil liberties on a religious basis.

I don&#039;t think that the government should have it both ways.  If there is a preacher or justice of peace out there willing to perform the ceremony, why should the government stop them?  Divorce is at an all time high.  We are a generation of broken families.  

If people of the same sex could do better, why should we stop them or penalize them by not offering them the benefits (insurance, social security)  that we receive?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am personally in favor of gay marriage, not because I disagree that marriage is a religious institution but because our government should not have the authority to make that decision for us.  </p>
<p>They have taken church and prayer from our schools and our lives because it obviously isn&#8217;t something that the people in government feel is worth upholding yet they deny people civil liberties on a religious basis.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that the government should have it both ways.  If there is a preacher or justice of peace out there willing to perform the ceremony, why should the government stop them?  Divorce is at an all time high.  We are a generation of broken families.  </p>
<p>If people of the same sex could do better, why should we stop them or penalize them by not offering them the benefits (insurance, social security)  that we receive?</p>
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